Dear Dr.M.S.Ilango!
I am Sundara Kannan from Madurai.
Will you please furnish the details about the research centre.
My e-mail ID is : daeioukannan@yahoo.co.in
Vallalar Thiruvadigale Saranam.
Sundara Kannan

Wonderful. Please give some information as to how we might associate.

kINDLY SEND THIS LETTER TO THE FORUM so that the viewers can see our reply.
And kindly sent it to Mr.Hunter who has participated in the discussion.
Thank you.
DR.M.S.ILANGO., PONDICHERRY, INDIA.
ARUTPERUN JOTHI
THANIPERUNG KARUNAI .
Hello Dear Blessed Soul,
May GOD Bless you.
As I was buzy with my hospital works,
I could not reply your message immediately.
We have plans to do the Sahakalai Research
in a complete Scientific way , with the guidelines given by Vallalar.
But it needs a lot of Vairagya with regard to Food, Sleep, Thapas renouncing all the worldly desires, which is being well scriptured as Three Jeeva Karunya Ozhukkams , in Thiruarutpa.
Some of my friends are already in the Path.
We would like to build an ashram cottages inVadalur, for those who
are intersted in the Spiritual Sadhana the Research Works.
The deathless Body exisits as the
Gnana Dhekam with all its tremendous Powers, as is described in
Thiruarutpa, in the Cosmos. Those immortal Yogies can take any body
as they like and give Dharshans to the Aspirants.
WITH WARM WISHES..
DR.M.S.ILANGO.
----- Original Message ----
From: V. Rajamanickam vrmn@igcar.gov.in
To: dr_ilango575@yahoo.com
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 3:32:56 PM
Subject: Deathless Life
Dear Sir,
I have seen your message in the Vallalar's forum. Please let me know
plan about Shaka Kalai.
I want to clear my doubt with the following reference
1) Do you want to create a RD with scientific grounds (by Western Study /
style) on Human beings to prove, How the Deathless body naturally exist?
inbuttru vazhlka
V. Rajamanickam
202, 12th Avenue
DAE Township
Kalpakkam-603 102
vrmn@igcar.gov.in
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26/5/07
Dear Dr Ilango,
I had sent to you a email regarding some information on SAAGA KALAI. Please check your email and reply to me regarding this at your leisure
Thanking You
S. Ananthakrishnan

VAAZGHA ELLA UYIRKUM VAAZHVU KODUTHU KAAPATRUM IRAIVAN, VAAZGHA NALLA ULLAM PADAITHA NALLAVARGAL,

SAHAKALAI RESEARCH
1000 KURUDARGAL SERNTHU YAANAIYAI THADAVI ATHAN URUVATHAI VARUNITHA KATHAI THAN ITHU,
MY GURU WORDS FROM UPADESAM:-
QUOTE
2.5YRS AGA UNGALUKU SOLLIKONDU VANTHEN, INI SOLBAVARGAL SILA KAALAM THADAI PATIRUPARGAL,
UNQUOTE
antha kaalam seekiram vara enathu vallalai vendi nirkindren.
enathu begger aga sila kaalam vadalur mannil paithium pidithu alaintha kalathilum,
appothu Thuravi kandasamy iyya, matra nalla sanmarga thuravigal pulambia pothum,
indru sanmargathai vali nadatha aal illa tharunathilum,
enathu prayer ellam
SANMARGAM valara, vazhi nadatha enoru vallalar namakku intha nerathil avasiyam,
Thiru vulame athai nirai vetra vendum,
Till date Jesus words can't give another Jesus,[color=green][/color]
Till date Mohammed words can't give another Mohammed,
Till date Vallalar words can't give another ???????,*** DAYS AHEAD THERE WILL BE *****
oru THIRUVOADU irunthathal bathiragiriyar avarudaiya guru pattinaththarai vida panakkarar
aanar, athuve avarukku mukthiyai muthalil pera karanamai irunthathu.
Thanakku ena ondrum illathavare sanmarga nilai peralam,
Thannai muluvathumaga olithavare sanmarga nilai peralam,
Thannai mathiathavare sanmarga nilai peralam,
Kadavulai unmaiyaga kaana virumbinal azhutha kannir maruma, aagarathil than itchai
poguma,
subjectla oralavukku therinthavargal melum therinthu kolla seivathu RESEARCH????????
SAHAKALAI patri pesakudiavargal athai mulumaiyai petrirukka vendum???????????
JEEVA, THEGA, BOGA sudanthiram vullavargal angu poga mudiyathu,,,,
Sanmargigal target/aim should be only grace/god (karunai/kadavul) ingae research target enbathai vida
kadavulai noaki endru seivathu nallathu.....
Its very simple as it is -
The creator/God had made all these obstacles/8screens, various stages to experience(sahakalai,yema sidhi,etc.,)
Like any person who himself build any house would know every thing by every inch about the house/room etc.,
The creator knows everything about what he had made and what he had given to all of us,
So it makes sense to catch the feet of god than to go into Sahakalai research, Our god is our father,mother,relation,friends,guide,guru etc., all. So god should be our aim,dream,wish,ambition,
faith,vision,target etc., all.
My guru vallalar too had the same vision(his songs are examples), he attained sahakalvi and he
had instructed his followers also to be on same way what he had gone.
G.Ashok kumar
Sanmargam well wisher,

Dear G.ASHOK KUMAR,
please can you translate your post in english?
Thanks a lot.
I'm italian... :-)
Arul Perum Jothy,
Cristiano

Mr. G.Ashok kumar,
Why do you speak of God like person who creates the cosmos?
Over and over, our Saint Vallalar says Arutperunjothi has become. Everywhere he says this. This is not just philosophical bickering, this is key point to worship of Autperunjothi.
In Arutpewrunjothi Agarval Saint Ramalingam really says nothing but this, over and over and very specifically. Arutperunjothi is substance of cosmos. All screens are Arutperunjothi.
The idea of God as creator of something is just symbol used by religions and it places God outside the self. God did not build, God has become cosmos...is becoming cosmos now..

Dear Cristiano,
I HAD REPLIED BY EMAIL TO YOUR REQUEST FOR TRANSLATION,
SORRY, IAM LATE TO REPLY.
BRGDS/G.ASHOK KUMAR
++++++++++++++++++++++++
Dear Mr.Hunter Garrett,
Fantastic, Iam very much delighted to see people with very good true thoughts.
You are very much right, its true that everything is god.
My guru had the same vision as you said. All in this universe is god and nothing else,
In a place where only one material is available, If anything is made, all should have
the composition of that single material alone as there was nothing else available.
Similarly everything is god in different forms and nothing else - i accept this.
But my guru vallalar saying about this,(said in URAINADAI-UPADESAM)
For beginners in spiritual way, it should be in Dhvaita(its a principle which means our soul is
separate and GOD is separate) and one should surrender totally to god,
Then at one stage Dhvaita will become Adhvaita(its a principle which means our soul and all around
is god and there is only one which is god),
This kind of transformation from Dhvaita to Adhvaita should come by steps and at final stages
one could experience the Adhvaita in a full form,
These are for normal common man, as the world has common man more than spiritual intellectuals
i quoted above in common for all.
G.Ashokkumar
Sanmargam well wisher,

Yes, the truth “has become. as mentioned by our Hunter Garrett is the ultimate truth. Yes, we do have few steps as mentioned by Ashok kumar in reaching ultimate truth.
We go to school to get educated. We all know that the college education is the complete/ultimate education. We can’t teach the college course in elementary school.
School education has four steps like elementary school, middle school, high school and then college. Spiritual education also has four steps like bodily worshiping by seeing (step 1), worshiping by singing/praying/saying (step2), worshiping by meditation (step 3) and finally merging with God through the ultimate knowledge (step 4).
We have to start the step 1 at the childhood soon after the child can see and respond by body language. This normally starts at the age anywhere between 3 and 5.
Step2 starts once the child possesses the spoken language. This generally starts at the age 7.
Step 3 starts once the kid can understand and be able to stand independently. This is normally at teen age.
Step 4 is the one which must be completed by 16th age.
Unfortunately, our present age may be even in nineties but most of us are still stuck at the step1 if not at step 2.
Step 2 is not properly followed by all of us either. Step 2 is to sing/pray/say all about the God by completely forgetting all about this world. But most of us are not praying instead we are begging the God to get these short lasting pleasures like house, food, cloth, wife, children etc. That is why, our Vallalar insists us to pray the God without any thought about this world.
Step 2 removes the outer layer of ignorance.
Step 3 is meditation like concentrating between eye eyebrows etc.
Yes, we can go and tell the child that the God has become you and you are nothing but God. A child can’t take this ultimate truth. Kid needs something visually to understand anything. Kid has ego by nature. We have to first take away the ego from us. That is why we go and tell that you are created by God, you need God’s grace to be successful etc. We have to defeat the ego first. The concept of creator does this.
God is far away in step1
God is very near in step2
God is within us in step3
God is inseparable in step4
K. Ganesan

What you say about steps to realizing this Truth is true.
But we must distinguish between the view in our practice and the view itself. I do not believe that Vallalar anywhere said to teach any sort of half-truth. He says that in our perception we do not have union, so we worship from the point of view we perceive and gradually there comes to be union.
We cannot pretend that because we know in our minds that all things and all internal perception is the Grace Shakti that we actually perceive this way.
But this doesn't mean that we ever state to anyone this dulaistic view as the truth, regardless of what level we believe them to be on, or that we adapt our contemplation of the Truth according to our ow false perceptions.
There is meditation and prayer/worship and these are formal practice. Jeeva Karuna is a formal practice, but also a pervasive view.
This contemplation is very essential, but it isn't a formal practice. It is to pervade our minds regardless of what we are doing. However he doesn't give instruction, instead he points it our directly over and over. It doesn't matter at what stage you are in your meditation or in your worship, this is one singular truth one is to contemplate. By contemplate it idoesn't mean to philosophize and be lost in ones head, but to apply these teachings to ones perceptions in ordinary life. One sees a flower and one considers this is the just the Grace shakti, one has a thought in ones mind and one considers that this is the Grace Shakti.
Vallalar says:
It is not because of my ardent faith and practice of Saivite religion that God has lifted me up to this unclimbable height, but because of the equal vision of seeing gods, all beings and things as the forms and substance of the supreme Divine, and the feeling of compassion for all both of which I followed as the Divine guided me in those days to follow these two as the great disciplines of Truth, and to abandon or eschew all religions and philosophic disciplines”
Likewise, In the Jeeva Karuna booklet, which was given to everyone who came to the DharmaSaalai, not just to advanced practitioners, Vallalar writes,
It exists in all places and at all times, like the seer, that which sees, and that which is seen; one who hears, that which hears and that which is heard; one who tastes; that which tastes and that which is tasted; the one who smells, that which smells and that which is smelt; one who enjoys union, that which unites and that which is united; one who speaks is speaker, that which speaks and that which is spoken of; the doer, that which does the action and the action that is done; the one who walks, that which walks and the place walked; the one who excretes, that which excretes, that which is excreted; the one who thinks, that which think and that which is thought of; one who enquires, that which enquires and the object of enquiry; one who decides, that which decides, object about which it is decided; one who instigates, that which instigates, the object about which instigation takes place; the knower, that which knows and the subject known; one who experiences, that which experiences and the object experienced etc.
Vallalar says such things in so many different ways to
inspire our contemplation of the Divine.
He doesn't start with half-truths, but rather states it directly and He denounces religions for teaching half-truths. If he had not wanted us to contemplate in this way, then why would he have said thse things over and over.
So, yes, I agree there are stages in worship and stages in meditation.
Important also is the understanding that although God has become all the world through Grace Shakti, there is still Absoolute God beyond the world. All the gods, goddesses and other beings are God in manifestation, but we are not to worship them in the same way we worship God in His Ultimate form as Supreme Source for all this manifestaion. We worship only Arutperunjothi that is the Ultimate Source, not the amnifestation, but through Jothi. We worship God as He manifests in these forms of other beings through Compassion toward them. We worship God as he manifests in ourself through Meditation. We worship God as he manifests in absolutely everything, through contemplation of His presence.

Dear Hunter Garrett,
All you say here are about ultimate truth (union ). This truth is open to all. There are many who don’t believe it. There are few who believe it. Those who believe can follow it in their life forever only after they reach the destiny in their spiritual path.
Yes, we don’t have to use any specific God to go through our all four steps of our spiritual path/journey instead we can even use our Jothi in the place of any God. The ultimate truth is open to all.
The abundant feeling of compassion can stay forever only with those who have reached the destination in their spiritual path like our Vallalar. We are beginners. We can say we have feeling of compassion and because of that we may even go out and help others. Those we receive help may praise us. Their praise can motivate us to do even more help. Instead if they hate us, we stop our helps and our compassion dies right there. Our Compassion is conditional and is not completely ripped yet. The real feeling of compassion is unconditional love.
K. Ganesan

HELLO,
Iam much interested to join as a member in the research on 'SAHAKALAI'. Kindly mail to me the procedures in this regard.
Nevitha

Dear Mr.Hunter, Mr.Ganesan,
Both of you speak the truth in a different form and I agree with both of you.
The point which I wish to say in this time is sanmargam is all about simplicity,
My humble request to Mr.Hunter to use simple English words understandable to every common man,
as if one’s very good expression/feeling are only reachable to very few people in numbers,
it’s a loss to sanmargam,
By history,
When My guru vallalar’s songs were collected together and been named “Thiruvarutpa”. There were
group of tamil poets, tamil scholars against such name to my guru’s songs saying song's were very
simple in grammar, etc.,
Final result, we all know what happened to them in the Court of Justice,,,
The more simple we are, the more accessible we are.,
Ok, putting some more to our thoughts:-
I may be wrong in grammer but I had stuck to be point(what Vallallar had said) while
translating from tamil
The conversation between My guru Vallalar and swami nayagar at thiruppathiruppuliyur regarding
brahmam/god:-
VALLALAR
– Those who had started to worship brahmam should continue and those who had
started to worship god in the form of vigraham should continue, As both ways were for two type
of maturing people.
NAYAGAR
– As god being everything it’s the principle of our brahma sahmaj vedha group
to worship god in formless state and its wrong to worship god in vigraha state.
VALLALAR
- As like SKY cannot be measured, AIR can’t be caught by hands similarly
Brahmam(form less god) can’t be experienced by our human MIND.
And Brahmam experience can be achieved only after crossing MIND level.
Any man influenced by Mind even very little cannot experience pure form less state of GOD.
Anything which can be experienced by MIND can also be experienced by our eyes,ears,etc.,
God cannot be experienced by MIND as we were unable to touch him or see him.
NAYAGAR
– No I wont agree to this, what about happiness its only experienced by MIND alone
and not by other organs.
VALLALAR
– any thing seen is first visualized by our EYES and its characteristics are grasped
and enjoyed in the form of happiness through MIND. So other organs are also involved on things understandable by MIND.
By this fact, MIND cannot experience god in his pure form less state.
And brahmam can only be experienced by our Soul (Tamil-anma zhyanathal ariyalam),
As Anma(Soul) stays in house called as human body,
Similarly vigraham is god’s house to stay,
By worshipping/complete surrender to god, it would take one from this Vigraham(form state) to Brahmam(form less state) of god.
And these are to be experienced and not to be said by words and all our words are meaningless without true experience.
For all of us, my guru vallalar's (perubadesam) words to worship god in the form of light
is a gift to us to reach/experience god early.
Sanmargam so far has seen only one human(guru vallalar) to reach no death(living for ever) state.
who is going to be the second one? Let us all do all the possible very best to become the second
sanmargi
I request all you good people blessings,,,
.
G.Ashok kumar
Sanmargam well wisher,

Dear all,
I hope some of our discussion would help new souls attempting sanmargam.
We all are in a long race to become sanmargi, keeping in mind
words given by my guru Vallalar
that he himself is running SANMARGAM.
And he had given instruction in “perubadesam” to all of us to bring in as many people as possible in to SANMARGAM stream and to live strictly by the rules given by him.
SAHAKALAI is something which demands very high purity, qualities as described by
Vallalar, as on his words he had said that people who are in a higher level than humans
and who were doing the panja-kiru-thiyam,
Namely – Mr.Brahma – Creating
Mr.Vishnu – Creating, Preserving
Mr.Rudhra - Creating, Preserving, Destroying
Mr.Maheshwar – Creating, Preserving, Destroying, Enlighting,
Mr.Sadhashiv – Creating, Preserving, Destroying, Enlighting, Hiding,
All above Five people haven’t experienced “SAHAKALAI” and they too born, live, do their designated job, die like how we humans die.
So its clear “SAHAKALAI” is something which is much ahead of these experiences.
Also on my previous post narrating Guru VALLALAR discussion with NAYAGAR, making clear its impossible to experience GOD with MIND and we have to cross MIND level and can experience GOD only by our SOUL.
Also by going through guru VALLALAR younger ages, the amount of Compassion, Grace, Affection to GOD, etc., he had was STUNNING and no words one could have other than “CRY”.
During guru Vallalar’s 8yrs of age he used to have long hair tied up and he used to carry Thiruvasagam written palm leaves punched on his hair while on his daily walk from his home to Thiruvottriyur, Kantha Kottam, etc.,
On his way if he happen to hear any spiritual songs he used to cry and become unconscious at the same time and fell down in the streets.
Such a beginning had taken guru Vallalar to GOD, SAHAKALAI,
Also guru expresses in his songs at lot of places that ITS GOD WHO HAD TAUGHT HIM ALL KNOWLEDGES, SAHAKALAI ETC., AND ITS GOD WHO GAVE HIM ALL,
THAT’S WHY HE TOO HAD REQUESTED ALL OF US IN PERUBADESAM TO STICK TO GOD AND NOTHING ELSE
So our human scientific researches won’t apply to “SAHAKALAI”
Let all of us head strong with all good qualities mentioned by GURU Vallalar,
Let SANMARGAM see its second SANMARGI soon by GOD’s blessings.
G.ASHOK KUMAR.
Iam quitting from discussions here on, and i wish to go back to upavasam and to be on sanmargam stream,
I wish all of you great success and my prayers for all of you.
VALLAL MALARADIGAL VAZHGA VAZHGA

I'm R.Chitrambalam, wishing to draw your attention that unless some human/soul is practically able to live (none in the past 100 years,vallalar's merging with or godding himself as light) the philosophy becomes impracticable theory. I'm happy that at least there is a institute on doing some research on this Sahakkalai. Hope Vallalar himself is doing this in disguise.
R.Chitrambalam, Karaikal
Quote:
HELLO DEAR SANMARGA SOULS,
WE PLAN TO ESTABLISH A RESEARCH CENTRE AT VADALUR, METTUKUPPAM TO DO THE PRACTICAL SIDE OF THE THEORIES THAT WE HAVE READ IN VALLALAR'S MESSAGE.
ONE OR TWO SANMARGA YOGIES ARE ALREADY ON THE
PATH. WE SHALL LIKE TO GO INTO THE DEAPTH OF THE PRACTICAL SIDE OF THE RESEARCH, BY ESTABLISHING A CENTRE FOR THE SPIRITUAL TRAINING AT VADALUR.
WE ENCOURAGE PEOPLE YOGIES TO GET ASSOCIATED WITH US IN THE NEWER PROGRAMME OF THE KIND IN THE SPIRITUAL FIELD.
WITH LOVE...
DR.M.SILANGO.MBBS.PGD.YOGA.

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On 15.7.2007, the Monthly Poosam Day, at Vadalur, Dr. Ilango, MBBS, gave speech at the meeting hall near the Samadhi of Kalpattu Ayya. Along with him one Thiru C.Arulalan, B.Com, was informing to all the participants of the above monthly meeting that there will be a function 17.7.07 (Tuesday) at 5.30 p.m.at No.3, Meetparin Annai Illam, (near Pondicherry I.G.(New) Office, Pondicherry.1). In that function, Hon'ble Chief Minister of Pondicherry N.Rengasami, B.Com.,B.L, is going to release a monthly magazine named ART OF DEATHLESSNESS. The magazine will be received by Hon'ble Kandaswamy, Minister for Social Welfare, Pondicherry and also by Thiru N.Aanandhu, M.L.A. of Pondicherry.on that occasion.
The above function is arranged by
Vallalar Art of Deathlessness Research Centre.
No.10, 9th Cross St., Krishna Nagar,
Elaasuppettai, Pondicherry. 605 008.
Contact Mobile No. 99436 47687.
Is the meeting was conducted in a grand manner

sir
I saw ur msg
thanks
please send particulars to my e mail address
ravi.latha2003@gmail.com

The monthly magazine on
SAAHAAKKALAI (Art of Deathlessness
)
was released from
Pondicherry on 17.7.07
Able to secure a copy of August, 2007 issue at Vadalur during the last monthly
poosam day.
It contains the life style of some of Siddhars; Teaching of Vallal Peruman and
also the writings from various famous writers about Suddha Sanmargam.
The cost of the monthly magazine is only Rs.5/-and for yearly subscription
Rs.50/- Life Subscription :: Rs.500/-
Can be had from:
Prof.K.Narayanan,
No.29, Nagathamman Koil Street,
Kottuppalayam,
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Ph: 0413 - 2251764.
Art of Deathlessness Office address:
9th Cross St.,
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(This is not an advertisement. Those who are in
need may get it)

Will you train people in compassion?!

Welcome brothers
I am very pleased to hear some one compared bahi with vallal peruman.
Once again thanks for that.
Bahi's basic principle is to prepare people to sense true saviour when he come to the earth.Ofcourse he accepted all the religions and from them he paved his way and form oganised sect to guide the people.I once visited
Lotus temple in New Delhi near Nehru place
.It is a very nice temple in which no idols or any type of traditional worship but only
simply silence
.
In Vaddalore our vallal peruman paved the way for
deathlessness
.So we can understand the fundamental difference.
P.Ravi Kumar
ravi_latha2003@yahoo.com

சாஹாக் கலை ஆராய்ச்சி இன்றும் நடந்துகொண்டு இருக்கின்றதா? மேலே கண்ட கருத்துக்கள் அனைத்தும் 2008 ஆண்டுடன் முடிந்துவிட்டது. பிறகு என்ன ஆயிற்று ? தொடர்ந்து நடக்கின்றது என்றால் எங்கே எந்த ஊரில் யாரால் நடத்தப்படுகின்றது என்பதனைத் தயவு செய்து தெரியப்படுத்துங்கள். நன்றி வந்தனம்

Would like to know whether the project proposed is still happening? If so cud anyone give the details like venue, contact person details etc
Lalitha