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Did Vallalar met someone else in the Light?
Dears,
Did our beloved Vallalar met someone else in the Light?
May be He met Thirumoolar, Tirugnanasambandar, Appar, Sundarar, Manickavasagar or others?
Did He write something about this question?
Thanks to all.
Namasté,
Cristiano
10 Comments
daeioukannan
Dear Christiano!
All the Saints attained the stage of Siddhi (Deathless life)can met everyone. But Vallalar does not say anything about in his prose order and poems. There is a possibility to meet the same saints in his spititual level.
Vallalar Thiruvadigale Saranam.
Sundara Kannan
Thursday, March 22, 2007 at 07:19 am by daeioukannan
cutessk
Dear Brother,
All the saints attained deathless life
This statement is newer to me.
I believed and heard so far that only our vallalar attained this DEATHLESS LIFE.
thru muthega siddhi.
Other saints know and even speak only about mukthi.
Then How do they attain siddhi ??
I m puzzled !
You can kindly correct me if I m wrong with song illustration from the saints
that you mean.
With Compassion,
senthil
Monday, April 2, 2007 at 03:41 am by cutessk
Ramu Sense I
Ramalingam kirubai,
In urainadai GJANA VINNAPPAM we can understand to SOME EXTENT the siddhars siddhi levels. Vallalar acheived MARANAMILLA PERUVAZHVU which is higher than level of the Agathiyar/Thirumoolar etc. Agathiyar and thirumoolar tell in thier poem,
ENAPPA ETTUM EIRANUM ARINTHAR
EIRUPPAR ENAIPPOL KODI YUGAM. (AGATHIYAR)
IRUNTHEN IKKAYATHE ENNILIKODI (THIRUMOOLAR)
Siddhars living karpas and yugas in their samadhi(meditation level), inbetween they come and meet siddhars/sishayas, this can be understood from their poems. So these siddhars also in the in the state of deathless, Thindukkal Swami Saravananda explains that these siddhars will be active to limitted kalpas/yugas, latter they will merge with divine and loose thier indujual identity, where as Vallalar will be in active state to the limitless kalpas/yugas which is first time grant by Arutperum Jothi Andvar.
Dayaovu.
Monday, April 2, 2007 at 11:17 am by Ramu Sense I
daeioukannan
Dear Brothers!
Before Vallalar like Thirumoolar, Agathiar, Appar, Sundarar, Gnana Sambandar, Manicka Vasagar and Andal Nachiar were attained the state Immortal Life (deathless life). But our Vallalar is only one person who declared that Immortal Life is a gift of Arutperumjothi Andavar which is common to all.
Limitless life as said by our beloved brother Ramu may be true.
In Mahadeva Malai Vallalar point out that MEI UNARNTHA MANICKA MALAYAI SUDDHA VELI AAKKI KONDA VELIYE. From this words we can understand before Vallalar some Saints might have been attained the deathless life.
Vallalar Thiruvadigaley Saranam
Sundara Kannan
Monday, April 2, 2007 at 11:32 am by daeioukannan
cutessk
Dear Brothers,
A song from Thiruarutpa - sixth thirumurai states as
novathu nombu ennai pol notravaraun
engandrun sava varam ennai pol petravarum
ev ulagil yar ular nee satrae arai
Clearly states, Our guru Vallalar attain the stage which no other saints
even imagined.
Translation to the above song is,
In which world, who fasts(nombu) as like me ?
And also who gets deathless life as I got ?
Could you say any one?
These questions Our guru puts.
with Compassion,
senthil
Wednesday, April 25, 2007 at 09:42 am by cutessk
daeioukannan
Dear Senthil!
We have to understand the clear meaning of the song NOVAATHU NONBU ENNAI POL NOTRAVARUM...
Our Vallalar comes to say that other saints who attained the deathless life were got that gift only by straining fastings but he (Vallalar) attained without any such strains only by Jeeva Karunya Ozhukkam.
So he said NOVAATHU which means without strain caused by NONBU.
Deathless life attained by our Vallalar only through Sanmarga Ozhukkam without any fasting.
It is the real meaning of this poem.
Vallalar Thiruvadigale Saranam
Sundara Kannan
Wednesday, April 25, 2007 at 10:45 am by daeioukannan
Kandasamy Ganesan
Sundara Kannan,
Yes, many of us read at the surface and because of that we didn't understand the clear meaning of the song.
Wednesday, April 25, 2007 at 14:52 pm by Kandasamy Ganesan
daeioukannan
Dear Ganesan!
Not only this poem. Most of the poems quoted for Suddha Sanmarga explanation are misunderstood by us. Vallalar neither appreciate nor praise the ways said in Vedhas and Aagamas.
He overcome that ways since they have a lengthy passage. On the other hand Suddha Sanmargam has a perfect and clear way.
So that Suddha Sanmargam is the best.
Deathless life which acheived by other saints before Vallalar did not inform to public and that stage was assumed for AVATHARA PURUSHAS only and not for common. But Vallalar broked out that assumed believing by his propoganda of Suddha Sanmargam.
This is the main difference of Suddha Sanmargam and other Samaya Madha margams.
One poem in sixth Thirumurai quote as
EATHAGUMO ENDRU ENNI NAAN ISAITHAVELLAAM VEDHA AAGAMAM ENDRE MELANINTHAN which means My garland of poems (THIRUVARUTPAA) were accepted by HIM as the equal value of VEDHA AAGAMAMS
To get clear vision of Vallalar we have to go through the A to Z of Vallalar workings.
Vallalar Thiruvadigale Saranam.
Sundara Kannan
Friday, April 27, 2007 at 08:03 am by daeioukannan
lamp_of_heaven
This is taken from Thulasiram's texts....I am sorry i cannot pinpoint where in Vallalar's works it is taken from.
I entered by virtuous grace into the consciousness or conscious presence of the Samarasa Suddha Sanmarga Jnanis, the Yogis of integral perfection, purity and transformation who have harmonised in Truth-Consciousness the realisations of the six pure schools (Shatanta Samarasa Satyar), who have realised the integrality of being, Truth-Consciousness, free will and bliss (Iyarkai Satya Jnana Sukhanubhava Poorana Swarupa Sadhyar and Poorna Swatantrar), who have the perfect free and integral will and mastery over all the principles and powers of existence so as to perform the universal functions of creation, maintenance, purification and control, veiling the consciousness or involution, and unveiling the consciousness or evolution and who have attained the integral triple, perfect and permanent bodies of Suddha deha the physical body of purity, Pranava or Shabda deha the subtle body of potential sound and Jnana deha the causal body of knowledge (Nitya Suddha Shabdha Jnana Dehi) which are all free from all the limitations and impediments of time, place and circumstances and thus have realised powers of perfection called siddhis over all tatvas and tatvis or principles and powers of existence namely bhuta siddhi power over physical and bodily elements, Indriya Siddhi power over senses, Karana siddhi power over mind and mental faculties, guna siddhi power over the three qualities of nature such as inertia, kinesis and luminous clarity, Prakriti siddhi power over the primordial Nature, I prayed to them with the ripeness of heart, O Truth-beings of absolute freedom and will Sarva Swatantra Satyar! Be graceful in heart and express in words on the nature of the divine Presence of the Supreme Divine Being, the supreme Existent. They did not answer but kept silent shedding tears of joy.
Thursday, May 3, 2007 at 00:46 am by lamp_of_heaven
ravi_latha2003
you please imagine a place where nohuman beings and every where only plants and animals.Naturally our desire will be to meet any human being weather good or bad.In the same way saints who attained a spritual level will search for any body who attained the stage.Simillaraly vallar searched any spritual masters who attained his stage.He asked them about their experience and their reply hos only tears from their eyes and they can not reveal about god.
Now your question is that how they communicate.Their communicatitive language is only PARA NATHAM
with this sound only they can communicate.Next is what is para natham.This is spritual sound one can get higher level.
P.Ravi Kumar
ravi.latha2003@gmail.com
Thursday, August 30, 2007 at 05:11 am by ravi_latha2003