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Is Ramalingam the Buddha Maitreya?
There are numerous correspondences from a variety of Buddhist texts.
1. Maitreya comes at the end of the Kali Yuga.
Generally this is said to be far, far in the future, millions of years. At this time, the human lifespan will be much, much longer than now. However, it is possible that Shakyamuni Buddha did not have the power to see that Maitreya has the ability to accelerate the fulfillment of the Kali Yuga, as Ramalingam claimed to do in his Great Invokation of the Lamp.
The human lifespan has increased in general since the end of 19th century, and continues to do so. According to the propheses of Shakyamuni, they should be in sharp decline.
The Kali Yuga is said to be characterized by constant warfare. This is certainly happening and warfare is increasing. However, if one really looks at the great wars of the 20th century and those occuring now, we can see a difference from past war. I have said for years now that the Kali Yuga will end quickly because the destructive energyof the Yuga will be turned upon itself. In the past, warfare over nationalism and racism have gone on and on without ever undermining their own basis. However, if we look at the movements of the Nazis in WWII, Hitler's racially motivated campaign served to discredit racism globally; in a sense Hitler has defamed racism more than Martin Luther King or Mahatma Ghandi. Likewise, if we look to Europe and America, we see that, amid so much conflict the powers of sexism, racism, and so froth have weakened year by year.
Only history will tell what effect the current religious wars will have upon the global view of sectarianism. The crusades didn't change anything, will these wars discredit sectarianism?
2. Maitreya is a world teacher
His teachings are said to spread across the globe and to unite all of humanity. They have a universal nature, indicating they would apply to humanity far beyond the scope of the Buddhist religion, as taught by Shakyamuni.
In the prophesies, it is said this is because the world is flatter and the oceans much, much smaller. This seems a metaphor for our currrent stage of technological progress, wherein we may easily traverse great expanses in little time by airplane, ships and so froth. Telecommunications and particularly this very medium arean excellent example of this.
3Maitreya's teachings are to to purer than the those of Shakyamuni's
The emphasis is upon love and compassion. By some interpretation, Maitreya means the Loving One. Love is the essence of his teachings.
They are to be far less elaborate than Shakyamuni's, and the Secret Mantra or Tantric (Vajrayana) teachings are not included in these teachings. It is interesting that among the Tibetan's of late 19th and throughout the 20th centuries, there has been a non-sectarian movement. Essential to this movement is to assert that the Direct Path of Ati Yoga or Dzogchen is not the highest most secret vehicle of the Tantras, but a third vehicle, unique unto itself. These teachings beyond culture, not relying upon philosophical asertions, symbolism or anything other than the most direct integration of Space, Awareness and Light(Bindu), Sound (Nada) and Rays(Ananda.) It is these teachings that result in the dissolution of the physical body into a body of Light or the Rainbow Body.
So, from the point of view of this non-sectarian tradition, if one were to remove the Secret mantra teachings, one would be left with the Mahayana and this path of Direct Gnosis of Space, Mind, and Bindu/Nada/Ananda. Flowwing the purity of conduct of the Mahayana, but having the resultant physical transfromation of Ati Yoga.
4. Maitreya is said to shine with a Golden Light
Enough said.
5. Theosophy's mentioning of Maitreya
Blavatsky claimed that among the various Mahatma's that she served, (most of whom have been discovered in their real civic identities as various Indian individuals) the primary one is called Maitreya. She had stated that the whole purpose of Theosophy's promulgation of Universal Brotherhood was to prepare the world for the manifestation of Maitrya.
6. Maitreya manifests before his prophesied rule.
According to Buddhist prophesy, the Maitreya Buddha would manifest numerous times prior to that time which he manifests (successfully) as World Teacher, the prior incarnations are to prepare. Ramalingam vanished, seemingly disheartened with his level of success, but with promise of returning again. His work of accellerating evolution nd initiating the spread of Universal Brotherhood and an Universal doctrine of Spiriuality seems to fit well with this.
7.Maitreya is Divine Light Itself
According to other accounts of the etymology of the nae,"Maitreya," it shares the same root with Mitra (Sanskrit) and the persian Mithra. Some say that the Buddhist cult of Miaitreya grew from the Zorastrian cult of Mithra. On one hand, the Zorastrian Mithra is said to be a coming savior, but on the other, is said to be simply the Divine Light of Ahura Mazda, equal to Mazda Himself.
If we look to the history of Mithra, He is the most widesread God of history. Where the Vedas contradict the Avestas, with Devas as Devils and Asuras as Gods, Mithra/Mitra is the accepted as both, and associated with light and the sun in both. The cult of Mithra spread to Europe in the Greco-Roman Empire and became the official cult of the Emperors and State. In this Greco Roman manifestaion, in Mithra was consolidated the Sun God of Rome, the God Horus of the Egyptians, and the traditional Mithra of the Persians; but beyond all of these He was considered to be Light itself, not only Supernal but physical. The Catholic religion, including its conception of Jesus Christ was based almost entirely upon the mythos of the Mithrais cult. Likewise, the light schools of Iranian Sufism drew from Mithras of the Persians. The Practices of light among the orthern Sahivites, Tibetan Bonpo, and Nyingma Buddhists, which lead to dissolution of the body into Light all stem from interaction with Mithraic initiates, during the 8th century AD, in what is now Afghanistan and western Pakistan.
So, Mithra/Maitreay has ever been the Universal God of Light, already existing as Light itself in all forms, but destined to manifest in physical form as a world savior.
6 Comments
arumai11
When you want to follow Vallalar's Teachings in a serious and committed way, this type of speculative question does not have any sense. Nevertheless, there are some fundamental questions, and these are how to achieve the Deathlessness about which Vallalar speaks and melt with Arutperunjothi.
According to my own experience, when the descent of Light has been realized, you lose all the interest in this type of speculative questions, and you only want to be more and more deep in the Light experience.
Vallalar does not be linked to any Tradition. He himself had to abandon the Saivite practices, and it was the key to achieve the Highest Spiritual Aim. Following his example, it is necessary to abandon any religious Tradition if you really want to come to the same Aim. It is not possible to make compatible the Vallalar's Teachings with those of the different Traditions.
Sunday, July 23, 2006 at 13:25 pm by arumai11
Bhuvaneswari Senthil
Even I was confused with his writings. I was thinking too like he is in speculation but I was not sure wether he is talking in line with Vallalar principles or not. Because the subject say about Ramalingam and end of the first paragraph says about Ramalingam but rest of whole writing is about something else.
I am sorry to say this, generally he writes in a very lengthy with lot of unknown to common people. I never heard of those concepts until I make search on the google. However, I think, this forum is more for discussing and following sanmargam and Vallalar principles. So our discussion should be focused on that rather than bringing something in for discussion.
Ramakrishna rightly said, Vallalar does not be linked with any tradition or any sort of thing. yet, Vallalar principles are not a reglion thing. I would even request Hunter to remove some of the paragraphs which talks about other things. Focus is what needed than speculating with other things.
Sunday, July 23, 2006 at 14:24 pm by Bhuvaneswari Senthil
lamp_of_heaven
� All of the paragraphs are relavent to Vallalar. The question I raise is does Chidamparam Ramalingam's birth fulfill various prophesy from Buddhist religion, and possibly many others. So, when I say that Maitreya is said to be world savior, or that he is aquaited with Radiance itself, I am merely drawing the similarities between these prophesies and Vallalar and his nature?
� � Regarding the repeated statement that He is not connected with any tradition, I say two things.
� � Of course he is beyond any tradition, but is he likewise associated with EVERY religio? He himself says that Suddha Sanmarga contains the essence of all spiriual teachings. In Suddha Sanmarga, I see the very pith of each religion: i could go into detail...such that it is the essence of Christian religion in that it is focused upon the descent of grace attained through loving kindness to ones neighbors (but it goes beyond of course.) I could likewise say that it is the pith of Islam, in that it encourages a very direct, simple relationship between the soul and the One God. I could say that the in characterizing the Lord as The Great Silent Space and extending compassion to all beings, it is the pith of Mahayana Buddhism.
� � I do not think that Ramalingam has stated that we are not to investigate Suddha Sanmarga's relationship with other paths. Mr. Thulasiram has written greatly on its relationship with Sri Aurobindu's path. Vallalar himself stated that the Theosphists were in some accor with his path, even that they would have greater success in convincing the Indian people than he himself.
� � I began my spiritual carreer with Swami Satchidananda, Dr. Mahalingam's guru. I lived in Yogaville and visited the Light of Truth Universal Shrine. Was Swami Satchidanda a heretic? In that same time, i met often with the Theosophical Society, as well. Were their studies in comparitive religion a heresy to the idea of universal Brotherhood?
The second statement is to whether or not Chidamparam Ramlingam was associated with some tradition or the other. He never specified to whom he refered, but in at the end of his manifestation, along with mentioning the arrival of the Theosphists, he stated that he was affiliated with a Brotherhood far to the north. There is a letter, published on this site, written by one Tholuvereverlayutham Mudaliar, who claimed to have been one of Vallalar's direct disciples, emphatically claiming that this is so, and that the mysterious brotherhood to whom Blavatsky refered was the same as that to which Chidamparam Ramalingam refered. According to Blavatsky, this brotherhood was associated with every religion, but beyond the limitations thereof. According to her, Mahatma Maitreya is among their highest adepts. So, I ponder whether her Mahatma Maitreya and Vallalar might be the same person.
My question is indeed speculative, but not idle speculation. Educated speculation. It is not that I think Vallalar would somehow belong to Buddhism if he and Maitreya were indeed the same. It is my belief that all religion is contained in the simple direct path of Suddha Sanmarga. I do not think that a devotee of Vallalar or an adherent to the path of Suddha Sanmarga necessarily has something to gain, by knowing so many other paths' teachings. However, if one there might be some use in communicating with persons of various traditions, then their might be some merit in considering how Suddha Sanmarga specifically relates to the essence of that path or this.
Sunday, July 23, 2006 at 14:52 pm by lamp_of_heaven
arumai11
Speculation only generates more speculations. You have good intentions, but if what you do or say does not lead you to experiencing Arutperunjothi and Compassion, it is necessary to affirm roundly that you are losing the time. On the other hand, there are many people who give speeches on the Vallalar's Teachings but they have not realized the Light, therefore their words are only mere theories. So that the word may give abundant fruit, it must be joined with the real experience of Light and Compassion.
Sunday, July 23, 2006 at 16:49 pm by arumai11
lamp_of_heaven
What is the basis for your assertion that I have no experience?
Sunday, July 23, 2006 at 17:02 pm by lamp_of_heaven
lamp_of_heaven
By the way, i do enjoy our discussion, even if it is in the form of argument.
Also, should I come upon any english translation of either Oral Teachings or Upasesha, I will seek to notify you, somehow.
Arutperunjothi Arutperunjothi
Thanipernkarunai Arutperunjothi
Sunday, July 23, 2006 at 17:04 pm by lamp_of_heaven